Ep. 4: Give Yourself a Hand
Dan and Emily discuss WTF headlines, It: Chapter Two spoilers, and quiz each other with vague movie plots.
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Hey, welcome to My Kajiggers with Dan, and normally we're just a couple of friends trying to crack each other up and hopefully put a smile on your face. I'm Emily. And with me is my awesome co-host, Dan.
Hey, guys, what's up?
Not much. I've been busy, but only in the sense like I've been working and dance started last week. So I've been doing that twice a week. And well, y'all heard Skadi last week, poor girl. And she's doing better. She might still be a little whining because she's such a mama's girl and I'm not sitting on top of her. So she's probably going to be a little more I'm more concerned about Bronx this episode.
He's already been rubbing up against our Mike Brooks.
I had to break down and put the box back on my kitchen table because he wasn't going to leave him alone.
Bronx is so basic, all he got to do is get out the box and he just lays on it.
That's fine. As long as he's not screaming at me, that is all it matters.
I'm really disappointed that that Internet thing of using tape to put a box on the floor didn't work with him.
Do you remember? I don't remember. I was in this picture to you. It was probably about a year and a half ago, almost too, because we've been in this house almost three years. But I had washed some tennis shoes and so I had three pair. So there's six shoes. And I set them on a towel underneath the ceiling fan in the living room. And like an orderly fashion, that kind of was like almost a circle. And he went and sat in the dead center of the room. And I just happened to walk out to like my cat having a seance with my shoes. Bronx just having a little ritual, probably. And I just turned around and walked away. I didn't want to disturb him.
While we're talking about pets, you mentioned you had a story that you were saving for the podcast.
Ok, so this bitch, i.e. Skadi earlier I was cleaning up my table and trying to put some stuff away to get ready for the podcast. So I turned away from her. I turned back around. She had notes, flipped her bowl up and spilled it all over the floor. Skadi I was pissed. It's not her fault. She doesn't know. She knows better. Scotty doesn't know. Scotty knows. And I was so mad because she's been doing that with her food bowl and she just takes her nose and tries to flip the bowl. And in doing so, she hits her water. Is that him?
Yeah. Bronx is currently scratching on the cardboard box that we've put out for him to distract him from our audio boxes.
That is so loud in the mike. I know.
Like, I thought he was actually like taking something and scraping across the table.
Uh, he's just being a dick. Oh, God. And he just. GRESH Yep. That all you had to tell us about your life with your fur babies for this week. All right. I'm sure it'll be more rate jump right into our usual What the Fuck News. Yes. All right. Well, don't you go first.
I'm a little light today, but I've got three. Good night. Good ones. OK, so this first one, I was just going through Facebook and there is a page that I follow called Now This and most of their segments are all video based. This one was about a sperm extractor, OK? And it's this machine that Chinese inventors have built to help destigmatize sperm donors. So to take the stigma out of like men masturbating were too afraid to do it in that public setting. Yeah. And so this machine they built is basically simulates a vagina. And this is going to get a little weird because I watched the entire video most because I couldn't look away out of like interest, but also because I was just too just like, what the hell? So like, it's a machine and it like moves like four and backwards like this, OK? And it simulates like a vagina in the way it looks and how it acts. If it was just really weird and but like it's a billion dollar company.
So I don't know if there's the market for that when it's probably a lot cheaper to just send the men into the alley behind the hospital. Just get a little handy for about, you know, what's the going rate like. Twenty bucks these days? I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know any prostitutes, but I feel like that would be cheaper. I need a cost benefit analysis of this. Maybe it's a long run type thing.
The one time purchase of this machine, they make actual like inserts.
I was just about. They say that is there somebody that has to go through and clean these.
Yeah, so basically like your businesses. Oh, so but the job is already hard enough.
The thing is, they've sold hundreds of these not only in China, but like France and England and Germany and some there's some places in the U.S. that have in Canada they have sold multiple of these just so unnecessary.
Yeah. If you're doing sperm donation, just man up and give yourself a hand. It's all I have to say.
They just start clapping. Oh, not.
But like just like, you know, give yourself a round of applause. Give you some hand.
Ok, that's a little better. That was amazing.
I was just like, yeah, man, I don't think you're getting anything out of that any more easily.
I have to say about the sperm machine. Yeah, OK. Here's my favorite one of the week.
California Democrat Raul Ruiz faces a challenge from Raul Ruiz. So apparently he's the representative to the U.S. House from California's 36 congressional district and his opponent that the Republicans have found has the same exact name as him. I don't think he has any government experience. They've basically just decided, you know, our best chance of beating him is to confuse voters by having an opponent of the exact same name.
I'm just surprised that they found a person in the same district, I guess.
Well, it wouldn't be unheard of for somebody to move to that district.
I'm pretty sure here in Illinois that happened when Obama was running for Senate. They brought somebody in as the Republican nominee. They just hadn't moved Illinois. But I read that headline and I immediately thought that Futurama episode where there's the two clones running against each other. Yes. And they both have the same exact policies, but they're arguing back and forth as if they're different policies.
Wasn't it like it was the same name, but one of them was Flip?
Yeah, one's like Jack Johnson. The other was like John Jackson. Yeah. One's like, you know, I don't think your three percent titanium tax goes far enough. And the name was like, I think you're three percent titanium tax doesn't go too far enough. It's the most ridiculous thing. But that's immediately what I thought of when I read that.
I'm pretty sure we have made Futurama references in every episode that's appropriate. It is. It just made me chuckle because I was sitting here thinking about it.
Futurama is so appropriate to life. There's so many episodes you can relate to.
I just wish they would make more episodes and I know that they're probably not going to, especially with disenchanted. Oh, which I like it.
It's OK. But I think that's all I have to say on that. You wanna go with your next story?
This one's kind of sad, so. OK, well, it's sad and fucked up. OK, so I was reading an article from KMOV and it was about a young boy on his birthday, had his school lunch taken away from him because his account was negative. On his birthday, he school officials came up and took his lunch away from him in the middle of lunch.
That is fucked up. I see stories like this from time to time. On the one hand, like it screwed up the schools doing that, like that money has to come from someplace. I'm more pissed off at the parents. If you're going to have a kid, your number one priority should be making sure that kid gets fed. If you don't have the money to feed that kid, you must be starving to death yourself, because if you're getting fed, that child should be more well fed than you are eight times out of ten.
Like it is a poor family situation where they can't even feed themselves so they can't pay off their school debt. But like the fact that they just went ahead and just snatched this kid's lunch, give them a break, sit down like, hey, we really need your mom to come and talk when she has a chance and then we can get this figured out. But, you know, money over priorities.
Yeah. What sets of parents out there that don't take enough of an interest in their kids that they would even go to the school and deal with that issue? But, yeah, that is kind of sad. It's it's really horrible as opposed to.
Yeah, OK. Moving on to something a little more fun, police foiled a 3000 person hide and seek game and IKEA in Glasgow, Scotland. I did see that. And apparently this has been enough of a problem for the company that they instituted a company wide band in 2015. I don't see the appeal of this. It's funny to read about and hear, oh, they got this many people together to do this, like flash mob of hide-and-seek. Logistically, it sounds like a nightmare. How do you play hide and seek with 3000 people, is there just one seeker? And if so, do they close their eyes, count to, you know, whatever number, open their eyes and like, OK, I see 20 of you all within like 15 feet of me because there's only so many places to hide for 3000.
I just want to know how big this idea is that three thousand people are playing in there.
I've never been to and I can't imagine they're fairly large.
I've never been to anywhere I want to just for the experience.
But I read that I was just oh, the idea of playing any game with 3000 people just sounds like a nightmare to me. I'm antisocial anyway.
You get you just like send them out into the parking lot when, like, they found you.
But how would you keep track of people?
Yeah, a logistical nightmare, because if they have, they have to have at least like maybe like 20 people seeking.
I'm so anti-social. The idea of playing a game with a concert crowd doesn't sound appealing at all. Oh, come on. I don't even like playing online games with, like 16 other people.
Come on. Yeah. Anything else? Yeah, my last one and I just found this one today. An unmarked school bus rolled up and tried picking up kids in St. Louis today.
That's terrifying. Yeah.
Was it actually a school bus or was it.
It was a unmarked yellow school bus. Went to this stop and tried picking up kids this past week.
So it was actually something sketchy going on. It wasn't just the school. Yeah. Having a new bus and. Yeah. Oh man. That is.
And so they're out trying to find whoever the person was driving this bus and that's that's really scary.
And how many places did they stop.
Yeah. I don't know if that was like the first stop or if they're making multiple stop, as if it wasn't hard enough to send kids to school as it is already, especially with everything that's been going on lately.
I really hope we don't end up hearing more to that story of like they did pick somebody up. Yeah. Oh, OK. And you picked some heavy stories as What the Fuck News.
I mean, what the fuck, right?
Yeah. I mean, I was going funnier, but OK, somebody has got to make it dark. My last one is actually two headlines, but they go hand in hand. The first one, literally or metaphorically, metaphorically, I guess it'd be really hard for a halide to literally go hand in hand.
Ok, so the first one is from Newsweek.
Trump says energy efficient light bulbs make him look orange complains about how expensive they are. Oh, he's the second one. And the second one is from CNN. And they did an article about how Trump was orange before light bulbs became efficient. I fucking love it. Apparently, this the guy that wrote this article has met him and he's like, well, energy efficient light bulbs have been around that long. I remember you being pretty damn orangery for them.
Are they talking about, like, the Leidy's?
Yeah, I'm guessing that's what he means. I doubt Trump knows what he means.
It's funny because I don't even know anything.
Well, it's so representative of his administration. He's saying that a White House official has said that his orange skin comes down to good jeans, which I don't know if that's necessarily good jeans. I don't think many people look at his skin color and say, you know what, that looks healthy. I want that in my Speedo.
I want to look know tested out of just pure curiosity. I want to know why he is orange, if it's like a soft tan or if he is just crushed and Cheetos and like this looks good.
There's a lot of theories. The CNN article covers some of them. Apparently on The Apprentice, he was marketing some self tanner that a friend of his own, the company behind. And so that's one theory of like, you know, his friend just turned him on to the self tanner and now he's addicted. The funny thing I liked about it was the first article mentioned the White House officials saying it was good jeans. The CNN article says if you look at any photo archive, you'll see that Trump's jeans didn't make him orange until sometime after 2000.
It seemed like it really doesn't make sense. I think my favorite part is like if you look right under his eyes. Yes. Like pasty white wearing some goggles, that makes me think it's like he's going in getting like spray tan.
That's probably my least favorite thing about him is he can't just admit stuff like that. We all know that hair is not natural. There's something going on underneath. He's probably bald. Yeah, I would I would respect him so much more if he'd just come out one day, head shaved. Yeah, I'm bald.
This is we would actually own up to making mistakes.
Yeah, that's either one of them. Yeah, I'm not in particularly liberal. It's just it's maddening seeing somebody that unable to like.
I don't want to get into too much details, but like the whole hurricane thing. Oh God. Yeah, that's I'm just going to leave that one there because that one just I think everybody's heard of it, but now it's just.
No, I just love it. They called it Sharpie gate. Yeah.
Like everything's just some kind of gate these days. All right. That's our What the Fuck News. Let's move on to some more exciting stuff. What else have you got?
Um, the new SIM expansion got released. I know that you're not like so like we do about it, but it is for those that do like The Sims or are an avid player of it. The Sims, four witches, warlocks, whatever. I can't remember what they named it was just released last week, which is warlocks and motherfuckers. Yeah.
That needs to be an expansion. I love it. Lock your house.
This guy's coming in for your mom, but I've been playing it and it is so much fun. And it really reminds me a lot of the original Sims making magic. I really enjoy it. And it's probably my favorite expansion so far.
I haven't played The Sims and God, probably 20 years where whenever the first Sims came out and I was pretty addicted to it, I, I think came out in 2000.
Simplest 4x4 is five years old and celebrate. They had released a bunch of like game updates and then on like for that on the fifth anniversary in a few days later, the new expansion was released.
You got any other news that's not Stephen King related? Because I've got all kinds of Stephen King news that I'm excited about.
Nothing that's important. Okay, just being an adult, doing some adult stuff, that's about it.
And so the doctor sleep trailer, I put that down.
Yes.
Do you finally watch it and finally watched it with your prodding? I was so disappointed when we went to go see it yesterday, and it wasn't before the movie. It was the perfect opportunity to advertise that movie. You got a Stephen King movie in Stephen King? Yeah. Why wouldn't you put that before that? OK. Oh, it looks good.
I know. I like Ewan McGregor and the bad guys in this movie look cool. Have you seen The Shining? I don't really enjoy The Shining. I of course I have. I don't particularly like that movie. I think it's boring and the direction is just weird.
I think that's just how that movie is.
Yeah, I think it's highly overrated, but it's still visually interesting. And yeah, I'm super excited about this sequel to it.
I think my favorite part in the trailer is when the one chick is in the grocery store and she's like honing in on that girl. Yes. And she land on the back of the head and she just when she says, just get out of my head and like, flips that bitch, I was like, this is going to be so.
Yeah. And going back to the Overlook Hotel from The Shining. Yes. See, I want the shine to be so much better than it actually is. My favorite version of The Shining is probably the version in Ready Player one. Have you ever seen them? I know it's it's not a great movie, but it's fun. It takes place in a virtual world and point the characters go into a recreation of the overlook from the Stanley Kubrick movie. And it's all digitally created, but it's spot on. I remember seeing in the theater. It's really cool. I had to go home and look it up because like this feels like it's such a small part of the movie that there's no way they would have just built this whole set just for this small scene. But it was too good to be digitally created. But it was apparently they took the original film and did Hiero scans into like the digital software and just made this CGI map of it. It's amazing, though. It's really cool. Yeah. Yeah. And ready. Player one isn't a great movie, but it's really fun. I do recommend it as an entertaining, like popcorn flick for anybody to watch again, especially if you like video games.
I'm honestly surprised because, you know, they remade both parts of it. They've done Pet Cemetery Dreamcatcher.
It came out ten years ago when I was in high school. So longer than that.
And we won't say how long it's been, but I'm honestly surprised that they haven't remade The Shining I did as a miniseries.
It wasn't great.
See, I didn't even know that. But like, I don't think anybody but Jack Nicholson can play that part.
You know, I would agree with that. But I thought the same thing a.
Pennywise and Mad shout out to Tim Curry, though.
Yes, but man, it's one of those things where, again, Jack Nicholson, I thought he would always be the definitive joker. And then the Heath Ledger came in and he's like, no, this is how you do it.
I ultimately think that William Dafoe should be the next joker.
Yeah, Willem Dafoe, he's just a goblin in real life.
Like he just that make a Green Goblin movie with him.
I will never understand how they got somebody whose face already looks like a guy and say, you know what, we'll put it in the Power Rangers mask instead of just paying them green light. There's ways they could have done with prosthetics.
We don't need to go on that tangent more. Stephen King is my favorite. Stephen King book is The Stand. Yeah. CBS All Access is doing a 10 episode limited series and they've announced to the cast and I'm so excited, although apparently we're creating a Skarsgard.
Stephen King Cinematic Universe Eatures Alexander Skarsgard is playing the villain.
I did see that. Yeah, he's, I like him.
I haven't really seen him in anything. But if he's anywhere near as good as Bill. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to this. The rest of the cast is looking pretty good. I'm so excited for it. And I think the depth of that novel, like for me, I consider it a like modern epic. Yeah. The idea of us getting 10 episodes has me super excited.
Let's see here. It's James Marsden, which I like. Amber heard she looks familiar.
Yeah, she's in Aquaman and was Johnny Depp's ex, who he may or may not have assaulted.
But like I remember her from something like older. She was the ward. I like that movie. Oh, she's also in Zombieland. Oh, yeah. She's the girl that for 06. Yeah. Will be Goldburg. Greg Kinnear. Really Mansons in an episode. There's Alex Skarsgard.
Yeah, I'm super excited about that. It's one of my favorite novels. It's one of the few novels I've read more than once. But yeah, I'm excited by Last Before Stephen King News, which will lead us into our big topic of this episode. Andy Skadi, the director of it, has announced he wants to do a seven hour director's cut.
I listen to this including he wants to go back and film a few extra scenes to help, you know, just to put it into this DVD set.
Yeah. And prior to Chapter two coming out, I had been waiting to re watch Chapter one just because they had been promising a director's cut for a long time and then they decided to hold off until both movies were out. And I think the intent is to bring it closer to the vision of the novel, where it's a back and forth from the present to the past rather than, you know, just straight chronological of, you know, half of it's in the past and half as it has in the present. Yeah, I'm so excited. And I think it could really help with both parts of the movie because, like, the way they divided the movies is a little weird when you've read the book or seen the original miniseries. Regardless, it's more it. And so I'm just excited.
I remember because I was just watching interviews with, like, the cast. I don't remember him talking about putting it in the back and forth, but to mash them together that way, you know, they flowed past the present and the adding more parts. And he just seemed really excited about it. And I am I will be buying it.
Yeah. And I always love it when directors are excited about the projects are working on. I mean, he's been talking about this director's cut since the first one came out. I just love that he's passionate enough about the story. He's like, I want to do more, just let me do more.
I think he was probably the best pick to drag this movie.
I don't know anything else he's done, but I think he's just knocked these two films out of the park.
I've also been seeing, like, just here and there. And I don't know if it's just like made up rumors or whatever, but talks of Bill Skarsgard wanting to do more.
Pennywise Yeah, I've seen things about that, too.
I think it'd be cool if they had, like with maybe Stephen King's direction, a maybe a background, more in-depth background to Penny Wise and why he chose the client, like why the clown is showing up now.
Yeah, I think there's a story to be had there, especially since you have with Penny Wise, the monster as the cyclical thing. You could go back again and again to just different points in time. I think if you did a movie focused on the human penny wise and like him being influenced by the monster penny wise, I think that could be interesting. Specially, just give me more of Bill Skarsgard, Penny Wong. I don't care.
Is he like I'm not so frijoles out there.
I actually haven't seen the original movie. I own it and I haven't been able to get a chance to watch it, but I'm probably going to do that tonight and not be able to sleep much. Tim Curry is just an amazing actor anyway. Yes, but I don't know how he is in that movie. And I know everybody has said they've liked him as a but as a modern update. I don't know if I could pick anybody else. For Pennywise.
It's really hard to compare them because they're both products of different areas of filmmaking. Yes.
And they're both unique in their own way. And, you know, it's kind of creepy. Have you ever seen an old picture of Tim Curry like young Tim Curry and put it next to Bill Skarsgard?
Yeah, it's basically his clone.
Yeah, I love Bill Skarsgard as Penny Wise. I didn't think anybody could ever beat Tim Curry, but he's he's made some interesting choices with the way he acts out that role.
I just love that he has his own unique body tricks because like in real life, he the mouth, all of his siblings can do that. And because in an interview, he is talking about how his older brother, Gustav, actually was the one that came up with the little smile thing. And he was just like, OK, let me try it. But the fact that his eyes he's like, I have a lazy eye and it turns out I can just move it.
There's more I want to say about his portrayal, Pennywise. But I think it's best we just get into a big topic of the show. Yesterday, we finally got a chance to see it. Chapter two, did you get a chance to watch Chapter one? No, that's OK. It's Chapter two does a great job of catching up with those characters.
The flashbacks, the way they did like you, it was present day and then all it had to do was a spin of the camera. And it was in the past, I think, that was so tasteful.
There was one scene, you probably remember it, where young Bill AmBev right up on bikes to like her apartment building. Yeah. And I was watching it. And I'm thinking, you know, I'm pretty sure I remember this scene from Chapter one, which I had just watched a few days earlier. But the kids look older. Did they film the scene, which seems a little unnecessary, and then like in the same camera movement, it pans out and the present day Bev is standing there in front of the building is like her memory. I like that's why they reshot that.
So they did have to reshoot a few of the scenes and they had to CGI age them down because there has been was it been a year and a half, two years since the first movie? Yeah. And so they had to and just seeing, like in interviews with the kids, like how much they've grown up in the last two years. So they did have to CGI age them down.
I had heard that before going into the movie. I could not tell where it was. Yeah, I could tell scenes where it seemed like they looked older. I couldn't find any scenes where it was like dogged aging. Yeah, well done. Very well done. Which I'll get back to the CG later. Overall, first impressions. Do you like it? Chapter two. I did actually. I liked it. Not quite as much as the first one.
So when we left, I mentioned and I don't want to spoil it too much for anybody, even though I know we're going to put a lot of spoilers in here. So spoiler bitches.
Yeah, I think we'll just in order to really discuss this, there's going to be spoilers by the time this comes out. It'll be weeks since the movie came out.
Yeah. So when we walked out of the movie theater, I was talking about how it wasn't like I was going in thinking like this is going to be just as terrifying. Like the first movie freaked me the fuck out. It was so scary. I loved it. And I am not like up until probably in the last five years I have really come around to scary movies. I was never happy. Gary, movie conscious. You were growing up until probably about the end of high school. And so then the first movie scared me and I loved it. But the second one was more thrilling than scary. And you have you just kind of spat it out. You think they did it for a reason why?
Ok, so when the first movie came out, having read the book, I thought the first movie was pronominal of the two. It's still my favorite. And I remember thinking, wow, by taking the back and forth aspect of the book out of it and just focusing on the kids, it really made that first movie stronger. It was more focused. And my favorite scene from that movie is them just beating the shit out. Yeah, it's such a great moment. It's not in the book, but it feels so well deserved. And it's enjoyable watching these young teenagers beat the shit out of the monster. But I walked out of the theater and the friend I saw with I said, man, this was a great movie and it really helped to not have the older. Versions of the characters in it, but I'm worried how it's going to affect the second half because the older characters has always been the weakest part of that book, and it's going to be so hard to only have the adult versions of those characters and make it not a rehash of the first film. It could be very easy to fall into the trap of, well, these characters have gotten back together again and they're just going to be terrorized by Pennywise some more. But I think they realized that and they made a really wise choice to separate the movies, not just chronologically of the past and the present, but I think thematically they're intentionally different movies. I don't think this movie was meant to be anywhere near as scary as the first one. I think the first one is a movie about fear and finding the strength to survive it. And I think the second movie is about finding the strength to overcome and move on from your past.
See, when people ask me how it is like I don't want to ruin it too much for them, like, well, how was it? And I'm like, what is it? Good. I'm like, I tell people it's closure. Yeah. Like it comes to a really good end. I think the ending could have been tweaked just a little bit better. Yeah. And it's changed from the book, but yeah. And now I need to read the book and books are usually better. But I know, I know how Stephen King writes. There's a really still in that book but go on. Was that OK. Was that the joke. Is that so. That was the joke with James James McEvoy's character.
Yeah. There's two stupid endings to that book. The first is it turns out Pennywise is just a giant spider. I mean, it's more complicated, but hell no, it's more complicated than that. It's like it's got this cosmic element to it. And like the giant spider is just the most or the closest that humans can perceive it as. But it ends up being just a giant spider and stupid. But there's also this bill's wife in the book comes to Dary and ends up staring into the headlights of penny wise, like she falls into this trap. And even after they defeat Penny Wise, she's just catatonic, like she's just dead in the eyes. No response. But Bill rescues her by putting her on the back of his bike and riding really fast. And then she comes back to him, OK? Yeah. And I was worried that they were going to go there when he buys his bike from Stephen King in the movie.
I like Stephen King's cameo.
Yeah, but yeah, I think this movie, so much of it is based around memory and the past. And, you know, they all have these scars, literal scars from their blood pact that healed by the end of the movie. But also so many of them are still affected by their childhoods and not even just the trauma of Pennywise, because at the beginning of the movie, they don't even remember penny wise until they come back to Derry. But you see the effect that their normal childhoods have had on their lives. Eddie and Bev are both married to their lives, are just kind of like, ah, fucking well, both of their spouses are very similar to their own shitty parents.
Yes, she had an abusive dad. She's with an abusive husband. He had a, you know, overly worried and protective mom. And he's married to a very similar woman who, it turns out, I think is played by the same actress, which is genius.
I like that he is still I see by the end of the first movie, er he seems like he's chilled out a little bit. Yeah. But as an adult he is still like a hot fucking mess.
I love one change they made. This character is that he now works in risk assessment, which is just that is the perfect. Why was he not in that job in the book or previous miniseries that of course he would go into risk assessment. He does that all day, every day anyway. He might as well get paid for it. And then they have to come back and confront their traumatic memories. And at one point they have to literally let go of the past. They each have tokens of these bad memories and have to get rid of them. Mhm. Yeah, I think the movie is very much about moving past it and the difference between surviving something and moving on.
I really like there at the end when they're in that cavern and they get separated from each other and are just having whore like Ben is drowning in sand and Bev the blood pool and whatever is outside the door.
Lots of nice Stephen King references in there, too.
Oh yeah. Go on. And then. Bills was the basement.
Of course, it would be his guilt that he can't move on from did any get did Eddie and Eddie and Richie were together because they end up finding the dog that they thought wasn't that?
Oh, the three nor the three doors. I love that. The first movie, there's the scene where they find three doors ones not scary at all. The others marked scary and they always marked very scary. So in the first one, that was not scary at all. It ends up being something terrifying. So in this one, they're older and she's like, no, I'm not falling for this shit. Again, we're going for very scary to be terrified again. So they opened all three doors and they yeah, eventually they went very scary, which ended up still being terrifying. Then they were not scary at all.
And I mean, they're like a Pomeranian, mostly because Richie made a joke about a fucking dog earlier.
Yeah, it's great because, like, they keep talking to it like, no, we're not falling for this. We know your tricks, Pennywise. This isn't just a normal dog and it just keeps sitting there all cute and everything.
Like it's like it stands up and he goes, sit, sit. Good boy.
And then all of a sudden it's a monster again, like, oh, yeah, it's it's a great scene and indicative of like this movie's a lot funnier than the other one.
I was going to ask if you think they intentionally made it funny.
Yeah, I think that's part of the you know, it's not supposed to be as scary.
And I don't know how I felt about it because I know it's supposed to be a scary movie, but I do like, though, the way they made that turn. And one thing I love Bill Hader. Yes. I love Bill Hader. And I think he did a really good job playing Richie.
Every adult character matches so well with the young characters, and I think they took on the personalities really, really well. Like, I love Jessica Chastain, too. And don't get me started about James McAvoy. I love that boy.
And one thing I'm going to come back to, but Annie literally looked like young Eddie.
Yes, that was easy. Eddie was probably my favorite character in this movie.
There's a badass moment that he has where he pulls a knife out his cheek and stabs a guy just I'm like, oh, God, this is where he ends.
And he does well.
And you think he's going to die and, you know, OK, so he's in a bathroom and this guy comes out of nowhere, stabs him in the face, leaves the knife in it, and he backs away and like goes into the shower and just closes the shower.
So when that happened, I thought, like, you know how it just did Ben and Bev's flashbacks, I thought this was like another just straight mind trick.
Yeah. That was happening.
It was a real thing.
And I kept thinking, like, what the hell's he doing here? Like, because he just goes into the shower and closes a shower curtain and leaves his attacker just out there. And you're like, OK, what's going to happen then? Like, wait a minute, is he going to have a badass moment where he pulls his knife out of his face and stabs the guy and he does it? It's amazing.
I sat there like, this is how Eddie dies, because, I mean, they're talking about, like, bad seeing all their deaths, like, oh, this is how it goes.
You know, Bev's probably one of my biggest disappointments of these two movies. Really no criticism against the actresses. Yeah, they play the part.
Well, they're not as round as they should be.
You had the the first movie they make her into, like a damsel in distress, like in the book, she goes down into the sewers with them. Yeah. To bring it back to my interpretation of like how this is different.
Yeah. But I wanted to say one thing is the Stanley character, is he just an aged person? I haven't actually looked the Cassilis or was old older Stan Lee, a new actor, because it looks exactly like the young one.
I think it's an older actor, but because I was how much they sucked, I think that's probably the best casting because there's such little time to relate to that character in the movie. Yeah. And you immediately know it. Yeah. That's Stanley, which OK, that was heartbreaking for me at the beginning of the movie. And this might have been in chapter one too. I don't remember. They're all talking about the future, that bedsore. Yeah. And she's like, yeah, when we're older we're going to be back here in the Sistan again and everybody wants to know how they look. And she looks at Stanley and says, like you do now, just taller. That broke my heart knowing what happens to him when they started the movie that way, because I'm like, my God, she knows he dies and can't bring herself to tell him because how could you.
Is that in the. Is that also in the book and the movie version. No movie. No, she's not psychic. OK. It is a different actor. His name's Andy Bean.
Now, we know I also think a lot of this movie is about memory and how you perceive things, but taking your memories and putting them in perspective, this is going to get really geeky. So there's a scene where they go back to the library and when they go into the library, I was immediately thinking this looked a lot bigger than the previous movie. And then someone says, I remember it being bigger. I would love to pick the director's brain and see if he intentionally shot that set. I doubt they rebuilt it because it seems like a real building. But if he deliberately shot it from an angle, it makes it look smaller. And I think the movie is about putting your fear and the traumatic experience of your past in perspective to the degree that even at the end, the way this version of Pennywise is defeated, they literally put him in perspective. They say, hey, you're just a clown and shrink him down to nothingness.
Basically fucking can. That is still beating heart. Yes, I loved that. Yeah, that's like deflated penny wise head. That was refreezes that you just said. It was like a little baby almost with age. So powerful head.
I really enjoyed that. Penny Wise in this movie is a lot more CG than the previous movie. He turns into a giant animated statue. He turns into like an old naked lady, but she's super tall and like has these gnashing teeth all over her body. And then he turns into a giant spider again. But he's like a clown spider. I don't know if it was intentionally, like, cartoonish CGI or not, but I think that also might have been part of the decision to not be as scary, but to be more. You know what? It's not quite as bad as I remember it. But, yeah, I think this sums up my view of what I think they chose to do with this movie.
I think you put it really well. I liked the movie. I really did. And you're right. Like I loved the first one. But I think the direction they took with the second one made the movie the best it could be without overdoing it.
And there's so much I feel like they had to add just to beef up the story since the second movie, second half, like it wasn't as interesting.
So they had a build. But I really liked the way they did with going from past character to present character with the camera panning. I really liked how that worked out was very artful.
The one time that it really stood out as rough to me. They did a dissolve from Eddie's face to young Eddie's face in the farm. So that was weird. Yeah, it didn't line up perfectly. And then it's like, OK, I see where you're going for here. It didn't quite work, but most of the time it was very artful and interesting.
It was. And the zombies, I guess you could say the two that were in there, the one from the one bully kid. Oh yeah. And then down the basement with Eddie on the chain, I thought, those are pretty cool.
Yes. And I will say we've been saying in this movie isn't as scary as the first one.
There are some scary, really good jumps in the best moments, like actual horror in this movie are all built around tension and knowing something's coming and expecting it. Yeah, like the dog.
Yes, that one was more funny, but I'm thinking specifically the balloon under the bed and you're just waiting for it to pop like there's something behind this balloon.
I honestly thought it was going to be pennywise soda.
Oh.
And then it like the way OK, all the way it crawled across the floor was so cool it skitters across the floor. It's oh it turned out real cool though. This isn't a unscary movie. It's, it's got a lot of tension.
See, that's why I said it's more thriller on this one rather than horror.
Any parts of the movie that just flat out didn't work for you.
I didn't like the CGI old lady. Yeah, I didn't like that. I thought that what that was way too cartoony. Yeah. I think that could have been scarier and it was just a big oversized tease.
I could see that old lady crawling on the walls and shit and like her head turning around.
And I think that would have been really cool earlier in that scene when it is just a normal old lady and you see her in the background movie like Pennywise. Yeah. She's just moving really super fast and clownish like, oh, it's coming. Yeah. Biggest scene that took me out of the movie. And I know you felt the same way. The underwater. Yes. There's an underwater case where two of the characters, I won't spoil it, but we'll say it's wise. And Bill, they fall in love.
Yeah.
Two of the characters dive underwater looking for something. And then before they come all the way back up, Bev stops the other guy and kisses him underwater. And it's a long, passionate kiss underwater. Yeah. The whole time I'm thinking you're like a foot underwater, like it would have taken half a second for you both, be in the open really like open mouth kissing underwater.
I'm like, how are you breathing?
It was a law cares. It seems kind of romantic, but y'all going to drown for real. Guys, don't be doing any underwater kissing. Wait till you're up above water.
It's like sand like that at one end, like the other characters. But like you knew. The other characters knew.
Yeah. That part of the movie really took me out of it, which is sad because it's right at the end. But I just I see where you're going for you're trying to make a romantic, but it didn't work. You got anything else to say about it?
I think we will. You mostly, yes.
I told you I had a lot to say about it because I've thought a lot about it in the last 24 hours.
Let's just put it out there, like, go see it. Yeah, it's good. Get the ending that you need. We both thought it was really well done. And yes, every movie could be better. But, you know, you only have so much to work with and so much time. But I think the way that the director did it, I can't say his name was Skadi Skadi. I had to look that one up. And I think he did very well at these movies.
Yes. And we have had our criticisms on this episode of it, but it's so good. And as the pair. They're so great. Yeah, definitely. Go and see, especially if you've seen the first one like this. It's a good capstone to that first experience. OK, so now we finish talking about it.
Do you want to play a game with me? Maybe we just need to make it look bad for the movie. Just a fat second. Hey, Pennywise goes. Don't you want to play a game with me? And I'm like, this isn't saw you, Jigsaw.
There's a lot of like sly horror movie references and to want to play a game.
But yeah, while we play this game you thought of.
So we're going to give each other some real vague movie plots and see if the other person can guess it. I'll go first. OK, boy spent seven years being third wheel.
I saw this Harry Potter.
Yes, I know you just as a time constraint. You were going to, you know, just look some up. I took inspiration from the hashtag film explaining badly or something like that. Yeah. And I wrote my own. All right. So my first one mental patient returns to his childhood home against the wishes of his physician is in a movie I've seen. I would hope so. It's a horror movie. One more time mental patient returns to his childhood home against the wishes of his physician.
I know it, Harlyn. Oh, no. OK, I'll just give it to Halloween. OK, Stockholm syndrome, right, that's just the whole Stockholm syndrome works.
Hmm. Is it passengers? No. OK.
Beauty and the Beast, though.
Yes, of course it is. And that one was much to go off of. We are trying to be vague, I guess. OK, I hope you get this. One respected civic leader enlists his community in a plot to abduct and replace the leader of another nearby community, again, respected civic leader and lists his community in a plot to abduct and replace the leader of another nearby community. You should get this. I wrote it just for you.
Is a nightmare before Christmas. Yeah, I love it so much.
I had to look up the plot of it. I'm like, I think I remember this. I don't see the movie a long time. I wrote that one just for you.
Thank you. This one's kind of for you. OK, talking frog. Convince a son to kill dad. It's a return of the Jedi.
It's just I wars talking frog.
Laughs So I read that this one.
I'll know if you'll get it, but I just wanted to put my own twist on the plot of this movie. Brash world champion celebrates the U.S. bicentennial by punching a debt collector. The punching is a clue.
Is it fight club? No. OK, read it one more time.
Brash world champion celebrates the U.S. bicentennial by punching a debt collector is a wolf.
No. Well, Wolf, Wall Street now. Am I getting warm at all? No, not really. Is that a fighting movie? Yes. Is a creed.
I'll give it to you. It's Rocky. It's the plot of that movie. And people tend to forget this because, like, that franchise has just become this whole other thing. At the start of that movie, Rocky is like a leg breaker for a loan shark. And Apollo Creed wants to give America this big birthday party for the bicentennial. So he's going to find some up and coming boxer and give him a shot at the title.
Ok, well, you go the one where Jennifer Aniston lost her man in front of the whole world, huh?
That's really hard because I don't like Jennifer Aniston, so I don't watch a lot of movies. She's a goddess. Oh.
Now, I don't know, Mr. Mrs. Smith, she's in the movie, know it all. Maybe Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie get gotcha.
Mhm. That's that's cold called. I love Jennifer Aniston as well. So when I read that I was like, oh man that's that's a rough.
Two best friends share a phone and do their homework together.
How recent is it, not very. We're talking 80s has anything to do with back to the Future. No, we're getting closer to friends, share their phone to do their homework.
Yeah, they share a phone. It's not their phone. You're really in the right ballpark with Back to the future.
It is not any of the back to future movies. Nope. It's got time travel. Give me a minute. Um, Jumanji.
I feel old if you think is an 80s.
When did your mind g come out.
Oh, like 95 or so.
Oh sorry. OK, I think I'm going to me Bill and Ted's excellent adventure. Damn it. I think you'll like my next one, ok. I think you'll like my next to OK man learns to be an adult.
Oh. Wow, that's a lot, maybe that's a lot to go on, OK?
Ok, so this one just think of a single person, just a single actor.
I allow now you tell me if I'm an actor, I can't think of an actor.
Ok, so think of an actor that puts out a lot of movies. Tom Cruise.
No, but you're kind of close, but not really wienies, no calories. Don't know a lot of movies. Samuel L. Jackson. No. Nicolas Cage.
No, I don't know every Adam Sandler movie. Oh, God.
So here's my last one. Oh, I thought you just went, oh, sorry, your turn, I'm bad at sharing.
Ok, cancer patient forms new friendships while aggressively pursuing a malpractice complaint. Dallas Buyers Club, you're going to love this one when you get it. One more time. Cancer patient forms new friendships while aggressively pursuing a malpractice complaint. It's a movie I love and I'm pretty sure you like it. Think of one of my more favorite superheroes is a Deadpool.
That is pretty good. I think this one's probably my favorite. OK, a wisecracking boiler tech teaches high schoolers to believe in their dreams.
I got this one. It's got to be a Freddy Krueger. Yes, OK.
My last one is a whole franchise. OK, I hope you get it. School helps students overcome discrimination by taking them on increasingly dangerous field trips while destination no thing what I'm interested in superheroes.
Any Spider-Man movie. No, I got nothing. X-Men. I fucking love X-Men. It makes me wonder what Marvel would do with it if they had the rights to X-Men.
That franchise really devolved. But man, I love James McAvoy and I do too.
And Michael Fassbender, they did very well. Sir Ian McKellen and Sir Patrick Stewart. Love them.
Yes, man, all four of them. Can we just get a movie where all four of them are together and they just throw Bill Skarsgard Pennywise in there for no reason? They don't have to be playing the same characters, like just it's a team up between James McAvoy from Split. We'll keep Mag, we'll keep Michael Fassbender as Magneto. We'll have Pennywise with Captain Picard and Gandalf in.
They're just epic movie.
They're just this super team. I don't know why they need to get together, but they know why Penny Wise decides to work with them. But it happens and it's beautiful.
So we're going to wrap up today with my film. One of my favorite segments is Urban Dictionary, where the day love Urban Dictionary Word of the day. Do you want to try and guess any of it? Yes. OK, so your word of the day is gold fishing does involve with somebody or does it involve somebody being baked?
No.
Ok, so it's not based on the goldfish cracker and it has nothing to do with sexuality like any kind of sexual thing. Man, I know I'm playing it safe this week.
The only thing I could say gold fishing would be wandering a parking lot looking for your car because you have a short term memory.
Actually, you're not that far off. So gold fishing is when someone is so fucked up, they head in one direction with a goal in mind. But halfway there, forget the goal and wander off in a random direction with or without another goal in mind. They're Daury.
And so here is their sentence. He was so fucked up on mushrooms, he spent the whole night go fishing around his apartment and never made it out to dinner as a great.
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